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post Dec 15 2008, 06:27 PM
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QUOTE (Power @ Dec 15 2008, 07:06 AM) *
I'm ganna ignore that comment and just chalk it up to severe mental instability, or a complete and utter lack of knowledge about how RAM works.

Wheezy's comment is closer to the mark that lower timings are always preferred, but I disagree that they don't make a big difference.


They don't make much of a big difference dry.gif


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post Dec 15 2008, 06:51 PM
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Readeth and Weepeth
http://techreport.com/articles.x/8966

And ultimately ram isn't going to bottle neck pc gaming, it'll be the video card, for productivity apps and mad number crunchz0ring its better, but generally speaking its not that big of a deal. This article is about DDR1 on a FX series socket 939 processor, but the Brisbane isn't really much different. AMDs already have a huge leg up in memory performance over everything but i7 anyways, the eliminated hops between the RAM->NB->CPU make up for 1 clock cycle easily.
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post Dec 15 2008, 07:41 PM
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I was thinking about just using the old white PATA LiteOn DVD-ROM drive from my current PC (leave my CD-RW drive in there) until I get a DVD burner for it.


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post Dec 15 2008, 08:25 PM
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QUOTE (n1ghtsn1p3r @ Dec 15 2008, 05:41 PM) *
I was thinking about just using the old white PATA LiteOn DVD-ROM drive from my current PC (leave my CD-RW drive in there) until I get a DVD burner for it.


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post Dec 15 2008, 08:36 PM
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Why?

Here's some

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16827106100

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16827136149

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16827136153


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post Dec 15 2008, 10:02 PM
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Aren't you already ordering a DVD Burner with Wheezy's build?


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post Dec 15 2008, 10:09 PM
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I didn't see one in there


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post Dec 16 2008, 05:36 PM
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I didn't put one in there cuz I didn't see one in the original list, didn't know if you had one you could use. IDE is fine but SATA would be better just cuz you can get rid of that nasty legacy IDE cabling as much as anything. If you go with one of the ones you posted go for the lite-on. I don't know much about LG dvds but i dont think its their specialty.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16827151171
should be good too, I have the older SH-S203B and at the time it was probably the best reasonably priced burner around. I don't think its ever made a coaster even with cheap DVD/CD media.
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post Dec 16 2008, 07:21 PM
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I'm kinda leaning toward the Samsung also.

Edit: Dangit, they're out of stock on the RAM and video card now and probably won't get more in until the very end of this month sad.gif

I think I'm going to cry sad.gif


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post Dec 16 2008, 08:10 PM
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That's the one thing that sucks about the egg, good deals especially come and go fast. Are you subscribed to the newsletter? There's decent deals nearly every day in it. If I'm getting ready to buy something sometimes I wait a day or two until the next newsletter and cherry pick what I can find in it to sweeten the deal.
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post Dec 16 2008, 08:57 PM
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I don't think I did. I don't check my email often (mostly spam laugh.gif)


I'm still considering going to full ATX and getting a 450w+ PSU and case (either bundled or separately). I was looking at similar 3870's on TD and it said that they require at least a 450w.

IDK if I should wait to order everything until they get more in, make some substitutions, or just go without the GFX card and order it when they are back in stock.


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post Dec 17 2008, 01:46 AM
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What about this stuff (a few of the things Power already mentioned)? Good or no?

Case: Rosewill TU-155-P Black 0.8mm SGCC Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail (39.99)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16811147106
or
Rosewill Conqueror WBK Triple 120mm Fans Steel ATX Mid tower Computer Case with Side Panel - Retail (64.99)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16811147104
or
Rosewill R223-P-BK 120mm Fan ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail (25.99)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16811147109

Motherboard: ASRock A780GXE/128M AM2+/AM2 AMD 780G ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail (79.99)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16813157139

PSU: Rosewill RP550V2-D-SL 550W ATX12V v2.01 SLI Ready CrossFire Ready Power Supply - Retail (54.99)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16817182030
or
COOLER MASTER eXtreme Power Plus RS-460-PMSR-A3 460W ATX12V V2.3 Power Supply - Retail (32.99)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16817171028

And since the RAM was out of stock:

OCZ Platinum Revision 2 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory - Retail (37.99)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16820227139
or
Kingston HyperX 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory - Retail (30.99)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16820104041

Along with the already decided:

Proc: AMD Athlon 64 X2 5050e Brisbane 2.6GHz 2 x 512KB L2 Cache Socket AM2 45W Dual-Core Processor - Retail ($62.99)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16819103298

HDD: SAMSUNG Spinpoint F1 HD502lJ 500GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM ($59.99)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16822152098

HSF: Scythe SCSK-1000 100mm "SHURIKEN" CPU Cooler - Retail ($29.99)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16835185063

Case fan: Rosewill RFA-80-K 80mm Case Fan - Retail ($1.99)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16835200044

Misc: Arctic Silver 5 Thermal Compound - OEM ($5.99)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16835100007

DVD-burner: SAMSUNG Black 22X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 16X DVD+R DL 22X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 12X DVD-RAM 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM 2MB Cache SATA 22X DVD Burner - OEM ($24.99)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16827151171

GFX: HIS Hightech H387QS512NP Radeon HD 3870 512MB 256-bit GDDR4 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported IceQ3 Video Card - Retail ($139.99)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16814161218

Subtotal: about $496-564 ($356 and $424, respectively, without the GFX)

Like I said, I'm willing to hold off on getting the graphics card until they get more in stock (and get a better PSU, mobo, and case)


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post Dec 17 2008, 08:43 AM
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When I suggested that case with PSU I ran a PSU size calculator and came up with 240 watts or so for the system before we changed the video card, but unless you're going to run a big dog like a 4870 or 8800 series you shouldn't be adding another 100 watts to the system. Ultimately a case is user preference (but you should read the reviews to make sure it doesn't have crappy features). The only cases I have experience with (aside from the one I recommended) are either no longer available or a LOT more money than you want to spend. I think you said you wanted a full ATX case right? I'm sure there's some good options with decent PSUs or you can get a seperate PSU like you posted. Either of those ones are probably decent. Antec, Enermax, fortron source and sparkle are also all typically good. Some of those brands get expensive though.

The Asrock board includes sideport memory, if you aren't buying the video card off the bat that'd be good, but otherwise you're spending money on a feature you won't ever use if you have an add on video card, the BIOSTAR is like 30 bucks cheaper after rebate.

I think if I was you I'd just go ahead and get a graphics card now regardless of what you get for other components. Your budget wasn't far out of 4850 range or you could get a different 3870 still, the 3870 that you were looking at may not come back into stock as 3870s are no longer a "current" product.

As for the ram, I'd lean towards the OCZ, either one is probably ok, but Kingston's not really a performance brand. Not that they can't make performance memory but I'd just be more apt to think OCZ would do a better job of it.
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post Dec 17 2008, 10:49 AM
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Ok, fuck this computer stuff, lets just go play soccer.
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post Dec 17 2008, 11:08 AM
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post Dec 17 2008, 06:22 PM
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Actually that was just an excuse to post a wallpaper i made today. I know it sucks, blow me.

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post Dec 18 2008, 02:01 AM
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OMG Epic Fail Guy biggrin.gif Anon FTW

OT: I was kinda thinking about expandability/upgradeablity when I chose those (I went by the ratings for the mobo, then remembered that Power had mentioned it before), plus the case options expand dramatically with a full ATX board.

And also the 3870 is back in stock.

Also if I do get a multi-fan case, should I get a fan controller since both the Biostar and ASRock only have 2 fan plugs (one for CPU and the other for the case)? I still haven't decided on one yet or if I should just completely retire my piece-o-crap current PC and cannabalize it for the case (I think it's an ATX mid) and stuff, which I was also considering, to save some money. If the latter, the last time the case was opened was a couple of years ago to install a wireless card so I don't remember what the drive cage layout looks like (the front USB ports are located at the bottom, which I believe the headers on the ASRock shouldn't be too far away, IDK about the Biostar though). Would it be dumb to build it in my current case, then later on transplant it into a new case whenever I do get one?

Sorry about all the questions (and my crappy parenthetical writing style tongue.gif)

I might be able to take pictures of it, but it won't be until Friday which is my day off. It's kind of an ugly off-white and dark gray though


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Reuse an old case, who would do such a thing...
http://www.bigwheezy.com/PostNuke-0.764/ht...ageViewsIndex=1

As for the motherboards/cases etc, Micro ATX boards do fit in full size ATX cases, they just dont take up the whole space available, but that asrock does give you the option of crossfire later.
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post Dec 18 2008, 10:31 AM
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LOL Frankenstein. That's pretty badass.

Some of the cases I was looking at that I kinda liked only showed that ATX mobos would fit, according to their descriptions. I might just go ahead and reuse mine though.

The Antec 900 has a couple of case/PSU combos that look pretty nice

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDet...st=Combo.147915

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDet...st=Combo.147916



@saxx: I used to go there a lot a couple of years ago, then I lost interest and moved onto other things.


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